THE YEAH, BUT PODCAST WITH MARC A. WOLFE
Former CIA intelligence collector Bonnie Stith reveals how inaction isn’t just a missed chance—it can have consequences far greater than the cost of failure.
About Bonnie Stith
Bonnie works with leaders and organizations to create success by developing strategic plans aligning leadership and culture with mission, vision, and values. As an executive coach, she helps leaders define, understand, and achieve desired professional and organizational successes.
Bonnie is an ICF-credentialed Professional Coach and an experienced public speaker on topics ranging from cyber threats and assessments to leadership styles and values. She has taught and facilitated various leadership-focused courses at the Central Intelligence Agency, taught courses in US Government and Political Science as a University Adjunct Professor, and currently teaches for a coach training program. She is also a board member for several organizations in the cybersecurity and healthcare industries.
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Introduction to Bonnie
Marc A. Wolfe: Today, we’re going to be speaking with Bonnie Stith. And we’re going to be having a conversation about her “yeah, buts”. So, Bonnie, I got a question just to kick us off, because I know people don’t know you, but what’s one thing that you wish they knew about you sooner?
Bonnie Stith: That my last name is Stith. And
Marc A. Wolfe: I still blew it even after I said I was going to go.
Bonnie Stith: You can go. I mean, typically, um, I would just say, you know, most people say Smith and then they can’t find me or Scythe. Um, and I, as I’ve said to my kids, just get used to like telling people how to spell your name and pronounce it. Okay. Cause that is, that will be your life. So no worries, Marc.
Marc A. Wolfe: Thank you.
Bonnie Stith: And the kicker is we rehearsed it beforehand and you still, you still did it. So, okay. So now that I’ve got you a little off balance, I think maybe that’s the thing that I, you know, I wish. So I wish people knew about me is that I’ve got a pretty good sense of humor. And I can laugh at myself very, very, more than I can laugh at others, probably.
Marc A. Wolfe: So, that’s pretty disarming to be able to know that you’re going to be able to laugh at yourself and laugh through things.
Bonnie Stith: If you can’t, then it’s going to be just a bleak world. It really is. Cause, cause there is a lot of funniness going on out here.
Marc A. Wolfe: But there definitely is. It doesn’t matter what side of the world you’re on, right?
We all have, uh, different things that we’re addressing. You know, I could read your bio and I will go over it, but are we really are bios? Is that exactly who we are? Or is that what we’ve done?
Bonnie Stith: Your bio is a list of accomplishments. You know, I always think of it as if you think, you know, in the days when everybody take their, their flat self on trips with them, right? I mean, your bio is kind of your flat self. It shows what you did, but who are you?
And, and I’m so much more intrigued by who people are than what they’ve done. I think what they’ve done is, is magnificent. I mean, it can show you that they’ve got grit. It can show you that they stick through it, that they, they take risks or they don’t take risks, or they make money or they don’t make money.
It can, it can show you a lot of things like that. But, um, but when it comes down to it, it’s like, who are you and how did you do all that?
Marc A. Wolfe: As you think about that, right, and you think about why people, especially on podcasts, they lead with, you know, a list of what they’ve done, and that’s the first thing that people get to find out about them is, here’s, here’s this list, and then they, what you just said, right, it’s more important to know that you’re funny, it’s more important to know that you really actually care a lot about your family.
In the short time I’ve known you, you mention your family almost every conversation of multiple times, right?
But If I, I listed what you did working for the CIA, is that normally a place that people love their family and talk about them and lead with them and lead about humor?
Bonnie Stith: Well, I mean, I think when you look at a bio, I mean, if you look at the typically most people’s bios at the very end, it says, you know, is married and has kids, right?
As if that’s somehow the footnote to their life as opposed to their life.
You know, I can remember as a young person, when I first joined the agency, I worked for at the time it was you married the agency, I mean, for women. And I was very acutely aware even in those days that institutions don’t return or reward affection. And so I was watching women who were ready to retire going home to dogs and cats or elderly parents. And they were the cool aunt or the weird aunt, whichever you liked, um, you know, that brought home masks from, you know, Africa or, you know, or like, or things from Latin America or, you know, or, or, you know, Southeast Asia in those days. So there was a, there was a lot of that coolness piece . But you know, I was, I was always struck with the idea of like, is that who and how I want to be when it’s all over and done with?
And it wasn’t that I was racing around looking for a husband to marry, because that was not on my radar in the day. But, but I knew that there was more to life than an institution.
Marc A. Wolfe: Well, it’s, it’s great you realized that early because I think a lot of people in previous generations did exactly what you tried to avoid, right?
Bonnie Stith: Well, I mean, there were societal limitations. I mean, you know, daycare wasn’t a thing. So if you had kids, you stopped working. I mean, in the career that I was in, you moved around a lot. And so most husbands don’t follow wives. It’s so much more common now. I mean, and I know women who are my age, whose husbands have chosen to be the primary caregivers at a time when it was traditionally not the thing to do.
And their wives are incredibly successful and their children are, you know, their children have got great foundations. Everybody’s doing well, but that wasn’t the role model that I had in front of me growing up. And it wasn’t the modeling that I saw at the agency in the day.
It was, women followed men. Which meant that I had, I had friends who had followed their husbands, sometimes came back at a lower grade than they left.
And so they were constantly repeating over and over again.
Marc A. Wolfe: Thanks for, thanks for sharing that. So let’s, let’s kind of frame out your bio a little now that we know that it’s not, I think it’s a lot easier to read it.
How Bonnie entered the CIA
Bonnie Stith: My career started when I applied to an ad in the school newspaper at 22 years old, and I joined the agency a month shy of my 23rd birthday.
I can remember having a conversation with my husband about what am I going to do in Valdosta, Georgia. When he called to say, Hey, I got assigned it, we were living in San Antonio and, um, and I had managed to arrange a detail assignment out to the military for three years. So I was still an agency employee and working with the military. First of all, I didn’t even know where that was, but the other part of it was, um, there was an, a Starbucks there. That was a big deal. What am I going to do when we get there? Cause there won’t be a job for me.
And we had a conversation that was really short lived about, should I go back to Washington, take the kids and him go do this command assignment, or should we figure something else out?
And so in that case, when the, what about me came up, it was, you’ve talked about doing a master’s degree. What do you think about doing that this time? And so I said, you know what, you’re right. So let me go look at what I need to do for a master’s degree. That was the response to that versus separating our family for jobs.
It was like, you know what? I could go increase my education.
Yeah, but… I’m too old or too young
Marc A. Wolfe: And you were at the agency for?
Bonnie Stith: 34. 34 years.
So you know it when you look at the “yeah, but” piece of it, we were talking about kind of the, am I too old or am I too young piece? When I joined the agency at 22, I knew that at 50 it was retirement age. Well, listen, at 22, I wasn’t thinking about 50 ever. I was thinking about going overseas, doing something cool, and then going back to California.
And so, but I was really young and I was at the very young end of the people coming in. And I would hear that “yeah, but” you’re too young. Or once you’re older, you’ll understand this.
And so constantly being judged about my age certainly created a certain dynamic where I felt like I had to be tougher and then you get in the mindset of once you pass that magical date where like, I’m in this for life. You know, or 50, whichever comes first.
And I had two jobs that I was looking at at the agency, two opportunities. And somebody asked me, what’s the reason you can’t do both of them? And it came, it came up. I’ll be too old.
Marc A. Wolfe: So you started with, I’m too young because I don’t get respect because I’m so young. And so, and by the time you achieve something, then you’re too old and you got to go, or we’re done with you or?
Bonnie Stith: So is it mindset or is it reality?
In the career service I was in, and certainly, in the retirement system, there was a maximum you could be age-wise unless you made a certain grade. And so I did make that grade that I could stay forever and yet still chose to not be there because you know what, it was time to go do something else.
And back to that, “yeah, but”. I could stay here and keep doing that, but what else is out there?
Marc A. Wolfe: So what helped you get unstuck from what people were trying to put on you with that, “yeah, but”?
Bonnie Stith: You know, it’s interesting. I was having a conversation with a couple of women here a while back.
And I think foundationally, I had a father who told me I could do anything I wanted to do. And I believed him.
And because my earliest orientation was somebody telling me I could do anything I wanted to do, I didn’t believe what other people told me. I was talking to a leader in industry here not too long ago. And he’s in a second marriage and they’ve just had a daughter and he’s got older sons. And he said, you know, but with this one, I really feel this great need to protect her.
And my conversation with him was really about don’t protect her. Tell her she can do everything. Let her try, let her do it, because the world is going to let her know what she can’t do.
Marc A. Wolfe: What’s something you think people misunderstand about you?
Bonnie Stith: I do think that people might think I’m more confident than I am.
Yeah, but…I’m not sure I can do it
Marc A. Wolfe: And I know it sounds weird to say, but what do you, sometimes you misunderstand about yourself?
Cause it leads up to your “yeah, but I’m not sure I can do it”.
Bonnie Stith: So, so I want to reframe that “yeah, but I’m not sure I can do it”, to “yeah, but”, what if I don’t do it?
I mean, maybe it’s, it’s FOMO, maybe it’s fear of missing out. I don’t know. But I know it’s really scary and I accept that it’s going to be scary and I know that it’s risky, and I accept that it’s going to be risky, but what if I don’t?
Marc A. Wolfe: Tell me more about what that looks like, the missing out, the not doing it.
Bonnie Stith: I mean, I can tell you, so I applied for this ad in the school newspaper, right? Like if you like cruising, you know, in foreign affairs and foreign languages and traveling abroad, you should apply for a job at the CIA. And I thought, well, I like traveling abroad. I studied, I mean, I majored in foreign languages in college. I traveled overseas a couple of times. I’d done a year abroad in college. I thought, sounds like a place for me.
Well, I get the call saying, and I was working at the time I graduated. I was working in a, in a, in the software industry in California. And so Silicon Valley was really starting to take off.
The guy that I was working for was, he was the president of the company, was going to move to another company. And said, I want to take you with me as my, my executive officer. So obviously there was already a path going, and yet I get this call from the agency saying, hey, we want to hire you, and you need to report to Washington DC on this date.
So, one of them was a path that was going to be interesting, but, and it was going to take me further in an area that I was already doing, but I knew that that working with him, I was going to continue to go up.
The other was, is it a good thing I’m getting hired here? And, you know, it looks like a great salary, but when you get to Washington, D.C., you realize there is no great salary because it is very, very expensive to live there, even in the early eighties. And at the time I remember thinking, I know kind of what this is going to be, but what if I don’t do this?
Marc A. Wolfe: It was worth the risk.
Bonnie Stith: Yes, it was worth the risk because it, my whole life is. You know, going forward is based on that decision of stay or go.
Marc A. Wolfe: But you don’t have regrets. It doesn’t sound like you have regrets picking the choice you made.
Bonnie Stith: I think the things that I regret are missed time with family. I chose a career that took me away from my family.
But when you talk about in the space of doing things that I wanted to be doing, basically getting opportunities that I wouldn’t have gotten in any other career.
Living overseas, which was always my goal and being part of, you know, of history in some places.
What Bonnie does for the CIA
Marc A. Wolfe: Tell me more, tell me more about some of the things that you did that were, because we only talked about the CIA a little, we didn’t really even talk about your position at the CIA yet. So people are like, okay, she worked for the CIA, most people don’t know what they do, and they don’t even, and they don’t even know, like, so, so, let us in.
Bonnie Stith: Yeah. My job when I went into CIA is I joined the clandestine service. And so at that point I was being trained to go overseas, and collect intelligence. And, and in the day it was a human-to-human thing.
You know, I met you, you had access, and I worked with you to get the things that the government needed to inform them on whatever. And so, so that’s what I was, a human intelligence collector.
Marc A. Wolfe: And when you say you, you don’t mean me, you mean some other person, just so for clarification.
Bonnie Stith: Marc, if you had secrets, I’d be all over it. Um, no, yeah, exactly. Right. But I mean, that’s the thing. It was a human to human thing, because, because what I’ve realized, in order to get information, you have to talk to people.
As I moved through my career, I moved into other areas because, you know, the beauty of the agency is you don’t have to be one thing the whole, the whole time.
It could be other things. So I got involved in resource management, obviously, I got detailed out to the Air Force and worked with the military to build exercises, war exercises. And then in my final job, I was running a cyber intelligence organization.
Marc A. Wolfe: So as we talk about, “yeah, buts”, the reason I mentioned why I picked that specifically for the title of my book, Yeah, But…Cut Through the Noise to Live, Learn, and Lead Better,
it’s mostly our internal dialogue saying we can’t, because we already know people tell us like we can’t do lots of things we listen that we crawl up in a hole and do nothing because we’re like, everybody says I can’t do this. There’s a chapter in the book called “yeah, but” not where I’m from, right? Because you don’t see people around that are successful.
So what did you do to minimize the impact of the excuses, how do you keep that going as you age and other excuses come up and other things?
Bonnie Stith: I mean, for me, it’s, it’s, you know, I mean, and I speak from a place of privilege, I get that it could always be worse. But I I’m, I’m kind of what you call the eternal optimist,
And I, and I think I deliberately set out to create the circumstances for it to be better. So I marry this, this air force guy and we start trying to figure out how to juggle careers. We start talking about whether we want to retire in San Antonio because that’s where we are and we’re looking at it.
And then all of a sudden I get this phone call from this person at work at headquarters that I don’t know. And I’m thinking, well, I guess I’m going to get fired. And he says you’ve been promoted.
In the meantime, Bob has gotten this assignment to Valdosta, Georgia. So the whole idea of staying in San Antonio is out the window because it’s a command assignment and squadron command is, is a dream of every Air Force officer I know. And so why shouldn’t he get to live that dream that he’s got? And that’s when it came to the “yeah, but” what about me?
Well, you’ve talked about going back and getting a master’s degree, but even getting there was a “yeah, but” about me getting to San Antonio, because they just come up with this cool new system in the, in the intelligence community about what they called community assignments. And when Bob got assigned to San Antonio, a person I knew at the agency, who was a Navy officer that was detailed said, Hey, there’s this guy coming in from this place in San Antonio, and there is a community assignment position there.
And so, so you can sit in that “yeah, but” what about me, and not do anything. Or you can say, “yeah, but” what about me and make it happen?
Marc A. Wolfe: But so you took a “yeah, but” what about me? And people can sit in that and go, I feel like I’m losing my identity, I feel like I’m living for someone else. And again, it might not be a spouse.
It might be parent’s expectations. It might be society’s expectations and you follow this path. But what I heard you do and what we talk about in the book is “yeah, but” so what now, what right? Like, so now if this is the truth and we know this in coaching, right? So you’re like, okay, well, if you’re telling me this is a stated fact.
What are you going to do now that you know that, right? And it sounds like you took and said, okay, well, what are the other options? What, what could be possible? What can we do differently? How can we play this? But it sounds like you had support, Bonnie. Like it sounds like you and Bob even again, I don’t know him, but I’m thinking you had a discussion and did this, what happens when there’s resistance and you have to work through your “yeah, but” in a way where you’re not getting that, let’s do this together kind of thing.
How coaching helped Bonnie
Bonnie Stith: And that’s a really good question. And so I will tell you that some of the most powerful coaching I ever got was in coach training from, um, a young lady who was 21 years old. And so there I was, you know, old enough to be her mother at least. We were having this conversation, he was ready to retire, I wasn’t ready to retire. So I, I get this coaching and it really came down to the, the topic was, I just feel really mad a lot. And I’m not sure why I’m mad. And what came out was, I was mad because we were constantly having this pull And the belief that somehow or other, I was going to have to be unhappy for him to be happy.
So the assignment was, you know, essentially my homework assignment was, go home and have a conversation about what the possibilities could be.
So I said to him that night, when I got home, I said, we need to have a conversation. And of course, his first thought is like, are we getting divorced?
And I said, I hope not. That’s not my plan, but I said, I’m, I just, we just need to have some sort of an understanding about what this could look like. You know, what could we do differently? What could, what could we accept? What could we allow? And in that conversation, we agreed that we didn’t have to be on the same timeline.
And so there was an opportunity for him to take an early retirement and move to Kentucky and go into business with his brother. And it became a logistics question. The “yeah, but” what about me piece had already been taken off the table.
And I think that was a pivotal moment for both of us, because it allowed me to stay and do what I wanted to do, and ultimately get to be in my dream job for a year.
He was doing what he wanted to do. Which ultimately has resulted in both of us being in the same place again, happy.
Marc A. Wolfe: Thanks for sharing that story. I think people have a really difficult time navigating relationships and work and, you have life, and work is a part of it, right? It’s not a, it’s, it’s, we’ve made so many myths about things. I was like, you have a life, you have 1440 minutes a day, what you do with it is how you fill that life with things. And, and you mentioned about coach training and, and coaching, so that’s not a CIA-related thing. You did this on your own, even though I know you’ve helped people, coach people, help leaders.
Bonnie Stith: Actually, I did not. The CIA paid for me to be trained as a coach.
It started in the 90s. They brought coaching into the agency and it has gone, it has grown from there. I mean, there is a belief, I believe, that first of all, coaching can help you decide whether you want to be a leader or not.
Because there are people that really don’t want to be, but because of circumstances and promotions, all of a sudden you find yourself in a leadership position. And not only are you a poor leader, but you’re probably a poor manager too. So, so the decision piece, like do I want to be or don’t I want to be?
And then if I’m going to be, what are the things that, that I need to be working on? So, oh, absolutely. Agency is a big believer in coaching.
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Bonnie Stith: I think I spent a lot of time talking to people about, I had a belief that, you know, that one of the responsibilities I had as a senior female was to reach out to other females and move them up. I believe strongly in a diverse workforce. And so I wanted, I wanted people around the table that didn’t look like me.
And I wanted people that had different experiences, because I think when we brought it together, we could create an organization that was incredibly powerful in its capability to do things.
So, so I was working on that from a very, you know, from a very early stage in the leadership piece.
It’s like, how do we get more people in, you know, in different roles? So at the time that I got promoted to senior executive, my belief was it was time to be pulling people up, pulling other women up. There’s a great book out by Liza Mundy called The Sisterhood that really speaks a lot about you know, some of the foundational days of women in the agency, many of whom I’ve known.
I just believed it was my, you know, it was kind of my responsibility on my way out the door to be pulling some up and having conversations about, look, I’m on my way out, but how about stepping up here?
Marc A. Wolfe: Because it’s like a session plan, leaving a legacy of other people to be able to do. I mean, that’s, isn’t that the goal is to be noticed without having to keep asking for it, but be noticed for your accomplishments?
Bonnie Stith: I mean, it might be an idealized view, but the reality of it is, Marc, is, you know, I mean, women wait to be asked to go on dates.
They wait to be asked to dance. They wait to be asked to be married. And so you either raise your hand and you’re identified as that pushy broad, or as many of us were told in school, and I would guarantee you if you asked a woman who’s at all assertive, she had a teacher that told her at one point, you’re too bossy, you talk too much, and the boys don’t like it when you tell them what to do.
Because you get that kind of programming, you wait to be asked, but who actually gets those opportunities, Marc, not people waiting to be asked, it’s people who are asking for them. And I think the piece that I really looked for was, I would have meetings with women who were at that point where, you know, I was asking them, are you ready to step in and step up? Because I know you’ve been waiting to be asked, and now I’m asking you.
Marc A. Wolfe: Are you seeing a change, Bonnie, that people you’re coaching are having conversations where at least they’re leaning into it more and less afraid?
“But I’m a girl”
Bonnie Stith: I think, you know, some of it’s situational. Some of it, I still hear the, “yeah, but” I’m a girl. I mean, I believe that if you see it, you can be it. I was having a conversation with somebody the other day about a health issue and she said, well, you know, this is what they told me. And I said, well, you got the girl diagnosis. And she persisted and there is a real issue there. And then my next question to her was, well, what do you, what are you thinking about as far as addressing this?
And she goes, well, you know, I mean, because it can be addressed, but it’s scary. And I said, I’m going to, I’d like to offer you a gift to think about. And she said, what’s that? I said, I would like you to think about what decisions you’re making based on your fear of going forward with, with any kind of treatment on this that are limiting your life. And so, they’re thinking about a cruise, but now she’s worried, well, what if I go on this cruise and I have one of these episodes? So maybe we shouldn’t go on that cruise. And I said I’m offering you a gift. I’d like you to think about how your quality of life is going to be impacted by not making a decision to go forward with treatment. I can’t tell you what to do because it’s, it’s your life.
Marc A. Wolfe: I love how you put that, a gift to think about.
Bonnie Stith: Yeah. Well, I think the reality of it is nobody wants, I mean, I said, I told somebody the other day, if you really want to get my teeth to grind, start your sentence with, here’s what you ought to do. Okay. I mean, and I know you, okay. So, I mean, when somebody starts a sentence with, well, here’s what you ought to do, I can, I can, I can feel my jaw clenching.
Right. So I could easily said to this person, well, what you ought to do is go get this done. Right. Right. As opposed to, here’s a gift to think about, because it’s not my decision to make for you. And that person I’m looking at, who showed that “yeah, but” can “yeah, but” it all they want to, but it’s not, “yeah, but” what if I do, it’s really going to be a “yeah, but”, what if I don’t.
Marc A. Wolfe: And then I can’t until I ever overcome this. But if I don’t take any steps, I may never. So my life becomes the worst of what it could be because I’m afraid of doing anything because I have this thing I won’t take care of again, we’re not condemning this person, right?
I don’t even know. But what I’m saying is that this just place this overlay, this over anyone’s “yeah, but”, it’s, here’s the way I’m going to limit my life. And then I have this self-deprecating world where everything’s horrible.
“Yeah, But…I’m not ready”
Marc A. Wolfe: You know, One of your other “yeah, buts” that you mentioned, Bonnie was, “Yeah, but I’m not ready”.
So tell me about that. Cause it sounds like, it sounds like you’re almost always ready, Bonnie.
Bonnie Stith: Well, I mean, I still have that internal conversation but I’m not ready to retire, but I’m not ready to do that, but I’m not ready to be that.
I think we can have that, that internal conversation all the time. My question to myself is if you’re not ready now, when will you be ready? If not now, when?
I think the biggest piece of it is, all growth requires risk. And I think if you can accept that all growth requires risk and that risk is hard. Because even with somebody that’s got a very low score around prudence or a low value around prudence, there’s still a risk.
And it’s not that I’m willing to take any risk because people that know me will tell you, I don’t risk money. I mean, there’s certain, I don’t risk my family. There’s certain things I don’t risk. I do have a high scale around mischievousness, which is another issue. But the reality of it is I accept that if I’m going to grow, it’s going to be hard, but the, but the opposite of growth is wither, and I’m not ready to wither.
Marc A. Wolfe: We’re going to wrap it up there. I mean, I think that’s what people need to hear right?
Is that in a world where you’re either growing or dying, right? Every day we’re actually, it sounds morbid, right? But every day we’re actually, it’s one step closer to a date.
Bonnie Stith: I know how the book ends. I mean, I’m going to be honest with you. I’ve seen this book, I’ve seen the movie, I know how it’s going to end.
That doesn’t mean that I have to like live, like it’s the end. It’s still like, it’s the beginning. And I think that’s back to where I say, I’ve got a kind of a Pollyanna view on life. I mean, I would, I would rather be like my grandfather at 94, shoveling chips in my front yard in a bucket and with my driver’s license in my pocket and have that heart attack than be sitting in my chair waiting for the heart attack.
I think that’s the “yeah, but” is I could not live. I think I’m going to go with “yeah, but”, I could live.
You know, the reality of it is, I think that there are good people that do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do.
And I think those are the people you find. And those are the people that I look for. And I’m going to tell you, if I’m finding them, there’s more of them than you think there are. And so, so that’s, that’s, you know, that’s what I would say. Find those people.
Marc A. Wolfe: Bonnie, I’m glad I chose you. Your stories were inspiring, their truth, you show that you can have still a balance of being with a partner, having a family, having a career, and actually, retiring where someone doesn’t have to lose for it to be.
If you could lean in and let people have one access to you for one thing that you love to do, and you know, you can help them with. Tell us a little bit more about what that is and how they can reach out so you can be in sync with them.
Bonnie Stith: I have a website, stithcoachingandconsulting.com. I am on LinkedIn. Um, if you reach out to, it’s Bonnie Stith, so you can contact me through LinkedIn. I would say that I’m, I’m what you call, I get it done kind of coach.
Marc A. Wolfe: Bonnie Stith, you are a rock star. I’m so glad I’ve worked with you and met you and this is not going to be our last conversation because you, you and I can talk a lot about it. Thank you for becoming part of The Yeah, But Podcast, and your stories may wind up in a lot of other places just because I think they’re, I know they’re inspiring to other people who can see beyond.
I didn’t work at that same place, but that is my story. I can’t believe you can share that in such an easy way. So thank you so much for that.
Bonnie Stith: Marc I appreciate the time with you, and I appreciate the opportunity. I mean, listen, I got stories for everything. So, um, I appreciate the opportunity to really maybe present a different view of, um, of how you can approach things.
Marc A. Wolfe: Bonnie, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it.
Bonnie Stith: Thanks, Marc.
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